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January 18, 2007

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jason_73

I think that Jesus actually was very human and didn't have supern natural power until his baptism. I believe that is why God was always affirming him that he was his son, i.e. Baptism ,transfiguration. If Jesus really had some kind of head start on us, then he truly couldn't be a high priest that can sympathies with us. I think the only head start he might have had would have been that his folks told him some crazy stories around his birth...

TomTom

Bill, based on our conversation the other night you might recall that my belief is very much the same as jason 73. I don't think Jesus was a "normal" child, meaning I feel He had guidance and knowledge imparted from God when He required it. His baptism seems (to me) to be the point where He came into His power more fully.

I like jason's point about Jesus not having a "head dtart" on us so He could fully experience being human. This is a fascinating subject to me, I'm really looking forward to hearing other peoples' reponses.

Christian

The orthodox teaching that bends my mind to this day is that Jesus was fully God and fully man. It seems the same calculus that allows God to make two one in marriage.

Could Jesus sin? If not was he truly human? If so, did the sovereign God take a chance? The mystery of it fascinates me and the verse you quoted is a favorite meditation of mine as I raise three boys.

deborah

I have to say that the way the trinity functions is a mystery to me but building on Christian's point - that two become one in marrriage, I believe that there are 3 distinct portions of God. As they are distinct, I believe that they can have an "opinion" or separate action regarding each other.

I have been thinking about the word "favor" and wondered if it had a different meaning (like stature is height, not social status). I was wondering if "favor" might reflect blessing or grace. Checked it out on crosswalk.com and the greek word "Charis" means grace, good-will, what is due to grace, and thanks/reward.

That would render that last part: grew in grace/good-will/bounty of grace/reward with God and men. All of which would make more sense to me than our current use of the word "favor".

Jason_73

I should clarify as I was re-reading my comment, I think Jesus was unique in being God's son, fully man and fully God. I don't think he understood totally walking around as a 4 year old, that he breathed the cosmos into orbit, or that he made a clay bird, touched it and it became alive.. I think he modeled to us how to live and follow God and part of that being the succesive revelation of his identity. I'm glad that he loved us that much that he would surrender so much, and have to live by faith, even going to the cross knwing God would raise him again... WOW!

Bill

Deb,

I'm not sure how you're definitions from crosswalk affect the issue much. The point is that God's estimation of Jesus was in some way subject to change.

Let's take the word "good-will" as a possible synonym. That passage is then saying that God's good-will toward Jesus grew. It seems to me that this presents a challenge to the way a lot of people view Jesus.

deborah

Actually, if you deconstruct the greek word for "with", which is para, it can also mean "besides", "from" or "by". Also, the greek for "grew" also translates to "promotes". Using the alternative definitions, that could render the quote: he promoted grace from by/from God.

I have no idea if it is correct, but I can do this all day. ;-)

Chase

I believe that within the Trinity, there is this nature and existence that is co-equal, yet in role and function there is certainly a distinction between each person. Bruce Ware's work, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is of great help on each of the embers of the Godhead. One could argue from the biblical portrait of the 3 that it is very Godlike to govern with perfect authority and wisdom, it is very Godlike to submit to authority, and it is very Godlike to always point to others.

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